7.12【晚8点红包】老小区装电梯,低楼层住户反对,你觉得应该少数服从多数吗?
<div class="wx_rich_media_content" id="jsWxContainer"><section data-role="paragraph" style="list-style: none; visibility: visible;" data-mp-plugin="96weixin" data-mpa-action-id="mrfpwusc1yxj" data-pm-slice="0 0 []"><section data-role="paragraph" data-mp-plugin="96weixin" style="font-family: -apple-system-font, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Helvetica Neue", "PingFang SC", "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft YaHei", Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); list-style: none;"><p style="text-align: center; list-style: none;"><img src="https://www.yewn.cn/data/attachment/forum/202607/03/141446qzlt0p4stewwp4ae.jpeg"></p></section><section data-role="paragraph" deep="17" data-mp-plugin="96weixin" style="list-style: none; text-align: center; line-height: 2em;" data-mpa-action-id="mrepqk0m1kan" data-pm-slice="0 0 []"><p style="font-family: -apple-system-font, BlinkMacSystemFont, Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); list-style: none;"><span leaf=""><br></span></p><section 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inherit;"><span style="list-style: none;color: #ff2941;"><span leaf=""><span class="wxart_image" wx-style="display:inline-block;vertical-align: inherit;list-style: none;border-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;cursor: pointer;display: inline;background-color: transparent;"></span></span><span leaf=""><br></span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 41, 65);">老小区装电梯</span></p><p style="color: rgb(62, 62, 62); list-style: none; vertical-align: inherit; outline: 0px; text-size-adjust: 100%; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; cursor: pointer; border-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: 2em; visibility: visible;"><span style="list-style: none;color: #ff2941;">低楼层住户反对</span></p><p style="color: rgb(62, 62, 62); list-style: none; vertical-align: inherit; outline: 0px; text-size-adjust: 100%; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; cursor: pointer; border-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: 2em; visibility: visible;"><span style="list-style: none;color: #ff2941;">你觉得应该少数服从多数吗</span></p><section nodeleaf=""><span class="wxart_image" wx-style="display:inline-block;"></span></section></section><section style="background-color: #fcfdfe;letter-spacing: 1.5px;font-family: -apple-system-font, BlinkMacSystemFont, Arial, sans-serif;color: #333333;list-style: none;outline: 0px;vertical-align: inherit;margin-top: 8px;"><span style="list-style: none;text-shadow: #ffc000 2px 2px 10px;color: #ff0000;outline: 0px;font-weight: 700;letter-spacing: 1px;"><span leaf="">小编先来</span></span></section><section style="line-height: 2em;"><span mpa-font-style="mrfpws1b1zxe" style="font-size: 16px;font-family: mp-quote, -apple-system-font, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Helvetica Neue", "PingFang SC", "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft YaHei", Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 41, 65);" mpa-font-style="mrfpwurtvwx"><span leaf=""><span textstyle="" style="letter-spacing: 1px;">看情况吧</span></span></span></span></section><section style="line-height: 2em;"><span mpa-font-style="mrfpws1b1zxe" style="font-size: 16px;font-family: mp-quote, -apple-system-font, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Helvetica Neue", "PingFang SC", "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft YaHei", Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 41, 65);" mpa-font-style="mrfpwurtvwx"><span leaf=""><span textstyle="" style="letter-spacing: 1px;">毕竟装了电梯</span></span></span></span></section><section style="line-height: 2em;"><span mpa-font-style="mrfpws1b1zxe" style="font-size: 16px;font-family: mp-quote, -apple-system-font, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Helvetica Neue", "PingFang SC", "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft YaHei", Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 41, 65);" mpa-font-style="mrfpwurtvwx"><span leaf=""><span textstyle="" style="letter-spacing: 1px;">影响一楼的采光和房价</span></span></span></span></section><section style="line-height: 2em;"><span mpa-font-style="mrfpws1b1zxe" style="font-size: 16px;font-family: mp-quote, -apple-system-font, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Helvetica Neue", "PingFang SC", "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft YaHei", Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 41, 65);" mpa-font-style="mrfpwurtvwx"><span leaf=""><span textstyle="" style="letter-spacing: 1px;">而且会有噪音</span></span></span></span></section><section style="line-height: 2em;"><span mpa-font-style="mrfpws1b1zxe" style="font-size: 16px;font-family: mp-quote, -apple-system-font, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Helvetica Neue", "PingFang SC", "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft YaHei", Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 41, 65);" mpa-font-style="mrfpwurtvwx"><span leaf=""><span textstyle="" style="letter-spacing: 1px;">之前看新闻是给1楼有补偿<br></span></span></span></span></section><section style="line-height: 2em;"><span 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inherit;"><span style="list-style: none;color: #ff0000;text-shadow: #ffc000 2px 2px 10px;font-size: 15px;outline: 0px;font-weight: 700;"><span leaf="">一、福利时间</span></span></p><p style="list-style: none;text-align: left;outline: 0px;vertical-align: inherit;"><span style="list-style: none;font-size: 15px;outline: 0px;font-weight: 700;"><span leaf="">晚20:00—00:00均可领取现金红包</span></span></p><p style="list-style: none;text-align: justify;outline: 0px;vertical-align: inherit;"><span leaf=""><br></span></p><p style="list-style: none;text-align: left;outline: 0px;vertical-align: inherit;"><span style="list-style: none;color: #ff0000;text-shadow: #ffc000 2px 2px 10px;font-size: 15px;outline: 0px;font-weight: 700;"><span leaf="">二、参与方式</span></span></p><p style="list-style: none;text-align: left;outline: 0px;vertical-align: inherit;"><span style="list-style: none;font-size: 15px;outline: 0px;font-weight: 700;"><span leaf="">晚20:00—00:00回复当天【晚8点红包】贴</span></span></p><p style="list-style: 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老旧小区加装电梯,本质不是普通集体投票小事,而是直接损害低楼层采光、通风、房屋贬值、噪音、出行安全的切身财产权益,多数投票没有资格直接牺牲少数人的合法利益。一、为什么不能直接少数服从多数?
1. 高楼层是受益方,低楼层是纯粹受损方
- 高楼层:房价上涨、老人小孩出行便利、日常生活大幅提质;
- 低楼层:电梯井遮挡采光、窗户常年阴暗;电梯运行震动、机房噪音;楼道拥挤、消防通道变窄;最现实的:一楼、二楼二手房成交价明显下跌,属于实实在在的财产损失。
简单讲:多数人的便利,建立在少数人的财产损耗之上,投票绑架本身不公平。
2. 民法典明确保护相邻权
加装电梯不得妨碍相邻建筑物的通风、采光、日照。哪怕业主大会多数通过,如果电梯方案严重侵害低层相邻权,低层住户有权起诉叫停,法院大概率支持低层维权。
投票结果不能凌驾于法定相邻权之上。
二、合理的解决模式,不是投票碾压,而是协商补偿
1. 经济补偿是核心方案
由2楼、3楼、高层住户共同出资,一次性补偿一楼、二楼住户,弥补采光、贬值、噪音损失;补偿金额双方协商,根据电梯位置、遮挡程度定价。
2. 优化电梯设计,降低伤害
- 调整电梯井位置,远离低层窗户;
- 选用低噪音、低震动电梯设备;
- 预留足够楼间距,减少遮挡;
3. 分层分摊电梯费用、电费、维护费
楼层越高缴费越多,低层少交甚至免交后续运维开销,平衡利益。
三、两种边界情况
1. 低层无合理理由,单纯无理阻挠、漫天要价
比如电梯规划完全合规、几乎无遮挡、高层有高龄老人、残疾人刚需出行,低层单纯故意阻拦、索要天价补偿。这种可以通过街道、社区调解,按正规流程审批推进,并非无限纵容少数阻挠。
2. 规划方案严重损害低层居住权益
电梯紧贴一楼阳台、完全遮挡客厅采光、震动严重影响居家,哪怕全小区90%同意,低层也有权拒绝,整改方案之前不得施工。
四、总结
1. 议事规则可以参考多数意见,但不等于强制少数妥协;
2. 少数服从多数适用于公共公共管理、小区公共制度;不适用于侵害私人不动产、相邻权的利益改造;
3. 最优解:利益互换+经济补偿+方案优化,高层让利、减少低层损失,达成共赢,而不是靠投票制造邻里矛盾。 这事就得大家说了算 少数服从多数是正常的逻辑!低楼层不同意也是情理之中!毕竟老小区多数为多层!想要改善住房环境的都会考虑重新买房!